tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post3373969167276088427..comments2024-01-02T15:37:04.858-05:00Comments on Caravana de recuerdos: Sor Juana for Beginners I: Sátira filosófica en redondillasRichardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-3480964737113259812010-02-22T10:01:33.079-05:002010-02-22T10:01:33.079-05:00*Hola Andrómeda: Aunque leí la Respuesta a Sor Fil...*Hola Andrómeda: Aunque leí la <em>Respuesta a Sor Filotea</em> hace años, voy a leerla de nuevo como un deber para el reto México 2010. De acuerdo con todo lo que dices, pero ¡gracias por entusiarme en espera de la relectura! ¡Saludos!<br /><br />*Hi Nymeth: I wasn't really aware of how common it was to join a convent for this reason, but it makes perfect sense now that you mention it. In any event, glad you liked the poem and I hope you'll be back for another Sor Juana post or two when the time comes. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-40433743682005524512010-02-21T10:40:57.033-05:002010-02-21T10:40:57.033-05:00I love the poem - thank you so much for sharing it...I love the poem - thank you so much for sharing it. And thank you also for bringing Sor Juana to my attention. Her life does sound fascinating. From what I've read on the historical of early feminists, it was not at all uncommon for women to enter convents to have an opportunity to devote themselves to intellectual pursuits - though that's a sad commentary on the state of things indeed.Ana S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16092495983972185943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-15059400193206408182010-02-19T14:27:34.824-05:002010-02-19T14:27:34.824-05:00Hola, Richard, este poema es uno de los más famoso...Hola, Richard, este poema es uno de los más famosos de Sor Juana, tan incisiva al hablar de la conducta masculina y sus consecuencias en ese entorno machista. <br /> Fue una mujer incomprendida por haberse adelantado a su tiempo, perseguida por la religión, pero estudiosa incansable. <br />La <i>Respuesta a sor Filotea de la Cruz</i> (en realidad a un sacedote que la presionaba para que dejara las letras y atendiera en cambio las tareas del convento), es una magnífica defensa que hace en base a su condición de mujer interesada en estudiar y en los estorbos que tuvo que enfrentar por su condición femenina; el único texto autobiográfico con que contamos para saber más sobre ella. <br />¡Un saludo!!RebecaTzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04610915499580085815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-65042429542256652712010-02-17T12:42:33.150-05:002010-02-17T12:42:33.150-05:00*Jill: I don't remember the details well, but ...*Jill: I don't remember the details well, but I believe Sor Juana actually entered the convent as a way to continue to pursue her studies and avoid marriage (a sad commentary on what opportunities were available to women in New Spain at that time). She was eventually "silenced" as a writer, so to speak, because of a religious dispute brought on by a third party and the loss of a powerful patron. Glad you liked the poem and I hope my sketchy memories of the biographical details aren't too far from the truth!<br /><br />*Amateur Reader: Thanks for stepping in! Golden Age poetry--and poetry in general, for that matter--isn't one of my strong suits, so I appreciate your enthusiasm and input.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-30032699518201665632010-02-15T17:15:32.393-05:002010-02-15T17:15:32.393-05:00Emily - poetically, Sor Juana is more at the end o...Emily - poetically, Sor Juana is more at the end of a tradition than the beginning. It sounds like you're ready for the miracle that is <a href="http://wutheringexpectations.blogspot.com/2008/03/heres-hopeless-task.html" rel="nofollow">Spanish Golden Age poetry</a>. St. John of the Cross, Fray Luis de Léon! Góngorism!<br /><br />The post I link to here features the Luis de Góngora sonnet that Sor Juana is responding to in the post I link to up above. The two poems are sixty or seventy years apart.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-86176999200512199252010-02-15T15:41:23.856-05:002010-02-15T15:41:23.856-05:00I love this! But it does cause one to wonder if s...I love this! But it does cause one to wonder if she went to the convent voluntarily or was placed there?rhapsodyinbookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07041412748239010264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-66191173544071136052010-02-15T14:29:22.052-05:002010-02-15T14:29:22.052-05:00Emily, I thought you might find Sor Juana appealin...Emily, I thought you might find Sor Juana appealing--and she was ahead of her time in so many ways! Octavio Paz has a thick bio on her called <em>Sor Juana: Or, the Traps of Faith</em> which I hope to dip into again before too long, and María Luisa Bemberg has a biopic (uneven but worth watching) called <em>I, the Worst of All</em> that should be fairly readily available. Lots of good resources online, too. Glad you liked the debate thing!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-15674486695405247272010-02-15T13:16:12.936-05:002010-02-15T13:16:12.936-05:00Amateur Reader, that's one of the sonnets I wa...Amateur Reader, that's one of the sonnets I wanted to--and probably still will--run here later in the week, though you put more work into your post than I will in mine, ha ha. Nice job! The syllable-counting thing was mostly a jab at former teachers of mine (all great otherwise, by the way) so no names will be provided. I'm sure you'll understand. :DRichardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-53404716930257134622010-02-15T13:13:35.209-05:002010-02-15T13:13:35.209-05:00Sor Juana sounds fascinating! Is much known about...Sor Juana sounds fascinating! Is much known about her biography? The poem you included seems ahead of its time, even stylistically - I think of this type of rhyming, evenly-metered "argument" poem as belonging more to the 18th century than the 17th, although I know almost nothing about 17th century poetry (I think I'm limited to Donne and Milton). And I love your vision of her delightedly scoring points in a debate! :-)Emilyhttp://www.eveningallafternoon.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-72209751955628323342010-02-15T09:45:13.764-05:002010-02-15T09:45:13.764-05:00Another Sor Juana poem, in Spanish and English, is...Another Sor Juana poem, in Spanish and English, is <a href="http://wutheringexpectations.blogspot.com/2008/03/sor-juana-ins-de-la-cruz-es-un-vano.html" rel="nofollow">discussed here</a>.<br /><br /><i>the syllable-counting exercises that poetry freaks seem to live for</i>? Names, please!Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.com