tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post7416157251524419615..comments2024-01-02T15:37:04.858-05:00Comments on Caravana de recuerdos: Berlin AlexanderplatzRichardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-53161517650756212102014-09-14T23:32:33.269-04:002014-09-14T23:32:33.269-04:00Anonymous, belated thanks for that recommendation-...Anonymous, belated thanks for that recommendation--will keep it in mind. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-83935804337601185512014-09-06T17:31:00.598-04:002014-09-06T17:31:00.598-04:00Read Anne Thomson's 2014 translation. It is an...Read Anne Thomson's 2014 translation. It is an excellent and riveting rendering in English English and captures the flavour of the original German.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-31081579373782983822012-06-16T22:22:20.851-04:002012-06-16T22:22:20.851-04:00I have had a copy of this book in German sitting o...I have had a copy of this book in German sitting on my shelves for a good while now - your review of the film has me a little more interested in it ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07546287562521628467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-13286265945255623172012-05-17T21:25:08.448-04:002012-05-17T21:25:08.448-04:00There's no such thing as off-topic over here, ...There's no such thing as off-topic over here, Obooki, so I'm sure señor Fassbinder won't mind me fielding your question. In any event, I just checked with Stu of <em>Winstonsdad's Blog</em> and Spanish Lit Month is officially a go for July. We'll be making announcements about it soon, so thanks for the prompt/reminder (please note that your Lat Am reading title for July just happens to be one of our two group read choices for the month as well). Onettimania is coming to the net, at least for about two or three of us. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-76764145494992258782012-05-17T15:42:31.977-04:002012-05-17T15:42:31.977-04:00Off-topic I know (and apologies to Fassbinder) but...Off-topic I know (and apologies to Fassbinder) but are you still thinking of doing a Spanish literature month in July? I need to plan ahead.obookihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03885121629202810216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-64821099898876395512012-05-15T21:43:22.181-04:002012-05-15T21:43:22.181-04:00Sorry about the comment problems, Selena, but Blog...Sorry about the comment problems, Selena, but Blogger seems to be more than a bit temperamental these days. As far as the mood of <em>Berlin Alexanderplatz</em> vs. <em>Satantango</em>, the latter seems more claustrophobic and oppressive somehow--prob. because of Tarr's slow motion style and the long takes. The former, while grim enough, also toys with the idea that there might be a way out for the characters from time to time--another difference from <em>Satantango</em> (as I remember it anyway). Fassbinder seems loved and reviled in equal measure, so I'd be interested in hearing what you thought of his work should you give him a try one of these days. I enjoyed this one quite a bit, though, for whatever that's worth.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-77554440281447222592012-05-15T21:32:01.839-04:002012-05-15T21:32:01.839-04:00I've never been to Berlin, Gary, but now I'...I've never been to Berlin, Gary, but now I'd definitely like to visit that area to see how it's different from how it was portrayed way back when. Am a bit of a sucker for the bookly sightseeing thing, I'm afraid. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-81728997767309116952012-05-15T21:29:44.490-04:002012-05-15T21:29:44.490-04:00MY "activities, mental or otherwise" = a...MY "activities, mental or otherwise" = a crack-up, Jill. Touché! Jewish anti-Semitism is a concept I can't quite come to grips with, so maybe that audience with Mr. Mosse would have been an eye-opener for me (please pardon the mixed metaphors, which are obvious signs of mental distress)--esp. since I haven't read anything by Arendt in ages. In any event, I'll be withholding further judgement on Döblin's effedupedness, whatever its source, until I get the chance to read more of him. You know how I like these perky types anyway!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-81838266104348897062012-05-14T16:07:45.769-04:002012-05-14T16:07:45.769-04:00damn you blogspot for wiping my extremely long com...damn you blogspot for wiping my extremely long comment when i tried to enter it. <br /><br />from your review, the mood of the movie reminds me a lot of satantango, which is what i'm currently watching. <br /><br />i've wanted to try fassbender for a long time, just because he as a person sounds interesting to me. i'm curious with what he did with his talent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-58047187552065207032012-05-13T15:57:56.425-04:002012-05-13T15:57:56.425-04:00Not really related having neither seen the film or...Not really related having neither seen the film or read the book, but I used to live just up the road from the Platz.@parridhlanternhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12793548943992250238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-22677614595172435982012-05-13T10:13:27.533-04:002012-05-13T10:13:27.533-04:00No, no! I was not referring to YOUR activities, m...No, no! I was not referring to YOUR activities, mental or otherwise! :--) And Fassbinder too was just a conveyor, I'd guess, of the ideas of Döblin , who indeed seems to have been seriously messed up. I actually was able to attend a couple of lectures by the brilliant scholar (and former Prussian) George Mosse, who also evinced, to me, that combination of Jewishness and perhaps anti-Semitism which I understand characterized Döblin as well. The combination really produced some rather bleak and "unsettling" reflections. And consider Hannah Arendt - same problem if you ask me. It's interesting to consider the effects of that mix of influences (Jewish upbringing with intense societal rejection and message of inferiority) on so many intellectuals of that period. But enough about that; I'm off to find a Colin Firth movie....rhapsodyinbookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07041412748239010264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-64251513840469469172012-05-12T23:47:58.125-04:002012-05-12T23:47:58.125-04:00I actually reread your review of the novel late la...I actually reread your review of the novel late last night or early this morning, Stu, and am looking forward to spending more time with Döblin after I finish the amazing but seemingly endless Musil doorstopper. In any event, I think you'd enjoy Fassbinder's adaptation given that it's both provocative and entertaining. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-24708321930743259962012-05-12T23:43:36.268-04:002012-05-12T23:43:36.268-04:00Merike, this is one and the same thing--it appeare...Merike, this is one and the same thing--it appeared as a mini-series on German TV for three and a half months in 1980, and I've read that it wasn't very popular at the time. I thought it was pretty great, but I have to admit I was also amused that Fassbinder got away with so much audience-baiting at the time: the camp epilogue, as just one example, must have angered many people who managed to make it through the violent crime of the previous 13 episodes. Fins aviat!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-4943316423940192452012-05-12T23:36:56.830-04:002012-05-12T23:36:56.830-04:00Yes, how me-ish, LOL! I'm not sure how much o...Yes, how me-ish, LOL! I'm not sure how much of the "metaphysical mental masturbation" you deride is addressed to me, to Fassbinder, or to Döblin (please remember I am just your humble scribe!), but it all may originate in Döblin's über-respected novel since he was born Jewish and converted to Catholicism after being chased out of Europe during WWII. In other words, he might have been very conflicted religiously-speaking--and not just yanking anybody's chain a la Fassbinder or me. And just so we're clear about the even more important point, "book blogger squares" in this instance = the vast hordes of super earnest bloggers who believe the novel begins and ends with the collected works of the 19th century Britons Austen, Brontë, and Dickens (i.e 98% of the Classics Club!), bloggers who get weak in the knees over all modern film adaptations of all the above, bloggers who only post about Colin Firth movies, bloggers who post about <em>Titanic 3D</em>, and any/all combinations of the above!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-64927861481523223512012-05-12T23:18:15.631-04:002012-05-12T23:18:15.631-04:00I wanted to wait until after I'd finished the ...I wanted to wait until after I'd finished the movie before starting the novel, Caroline, so I'm only in the first chapter now. It feels very old-fashioned next to something like Musil's <em>The Man Without Qualities</em>, but I'm not sure how much of that has to do with the translations at this point since they were fairly contemporary otherwise. However, I do get the sense that much of Fassbinder's storytelling unpredictability was borrowed from Döblin, yes. How surprising to hear about the availability of Fassbinder's work over there! My library has a lot of his DVDS so I'm not worried about missing anything of his at this point, but I suspect that I will love some and hate others based on the little I've read about them.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-9900529966461402842012-05-12T18:53:32.526-04:002012-05-12T18:53:32.526-04:00I haven't watched the supplements yet, Dwight,...I haven't watched the supplements yet, Dwight, but Fassbinder's quoted in one of the accompanying essays as saying that "the essential part [of Döblin's novel] is simply the way in which this incredibly banal and unbelievable plot is narrated." I think that speaks to your two reactions here, but my sense from half a chapter or so of Döblin so far tends to confirm that even more. Looking forward to the novel, but I wish I had a more contemporary translation than the 1960s version I found (my library's more recent translation is lost alas).Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-51189685723325525542012-05-12T18:42:59.070-04:002012-05-12T18:42:59.070-04:00I remember being excited about seeing that on your...I remember being excited about seeing that on your list, Bettina, but the novel's been a little hard for me to come by over here (the English translation seems to go in and out of print all the time). I think it would be great fun to compare the different book and film versions, though, and the Criterion package also comes with a 90-minute 1931 adaptation by Phil Jutzi in which Döblin co-wrote the screenplay. The Fassbinder version was indeed fascinating for sure.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-74686866506680154652012-05-12T18:29:05.912-04:002012-05-12T18:29:05.912-04:00I understand the time thing, Séamus, but if you ca...I understand the time thing, Séamus, but if you can get your hands on a copy of the set why not try watching one episode a week (all more or less an hour long each except for the first one and the epilogue which are both somewhat longer) just like the original German TV audience? As an added incentive, I'm told that the novel was heavily influenced by one of your all-time favorites: Joyce's <em>Ulysses</em>. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-5301879811787573562012-05-12T16:23:13.532-04:002012-05-12T16:23:13.532-04:00Having read the Novel I now want to see this as we...Having read the Novel I now want to see this as well Richard watch of fassbinder he was a true one off ,thanks for sharing ,all the best stustujallenhttp://winstonsdad.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-79726401788733141342012-05-12T13:26:26.638-04:002012-05-12T13:26:26.638-04:00I have seen this as a tv series and as always I bo...I have seen this as a tv series and as always I bought the book afterwards. I can't find in the net if there is a tv series, it was long ago, it was in German language. It was very long, lasted week after week. Maybe in the 80's? Now it is haunting me.. And I never read the book, the tv series was so overwhelming.merikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08992802015912281130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-31133010106627307032012-05-12T10:47:43.109-04:002012-05-12T10:47:43.109-04:00I also like the phrase "good, clean transgres...I also like the phrase "good, clean transgressive fun" - how you-ish! As you can well imagine, I would hate this. Even reading Job in the Bible makes me violently angry. ("Childlike and violently angry") And unless Weimar degeneracy is presented as part of a musical, it also makes me violently angry. But gosh, how could I resist a "grainy slaughterhouse scene"? ..wouldn't want anyone to think I'm a "book blogger square," after all.... (as opposed to a square in general, into which I have most definitely morphed, since metaphysical mental masturbation makes me want to punch people)rhapsodyinbookshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07041412748239010264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-35781041550508339152012-05-12T09:15:52.260-04:002012-05-12T09:15:52.260-04:00"Good, clean transgressive fun..." ehehe..."Good, clean transgressive fun..." ehehe I have watched the first few episodes of this when they showed it on late night TV a couple of years ago. Then I missed an episode.... I've got the novel here as well and think I'll read that first before getting to the movie again. I watched a lot of Fassbinder for a while. Some are outstanding. I think generally this isn't even considered to be his best... His DVDs are hard to get, even from amazon.de...He's waiting to be rediscovered, I guess. <br />I think that the unpredictability of the story telling does come from the novel. I can't remember now, have you read it?Carolinehttp://beautyisasleepingcat.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-34758501140201437022012-05-12T09:00:56.561-04:002012-05-12T09:00:56.561-04:00The thing I remember about the novel, more than th...The thing I remember about the novel, more than the story itself, was the way it was told...montage-like scenes with narration (which in itself is montage-like). Will be interesting to hear your comments on it. It sounds like Fassbinder was going for the same "feel" with the movie.Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688525659034403580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-26512540667400786892012-05-12T03:38:59.440-04:002012-05-12T03:38:59.440-04:00Döblin's novel is on my reading list, too. Now...Döblin's novel is on my reading list, too. Now I'm thinking that I should maybe accompany it with the TV adaptation as well - even though, to be honest, I'd have the same problem as Séamus. It would probably take me a month to watch. Sounds fascinating though.Bettina @ Liburuakhttp://liburuak.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-9205501451474695002012-05-12T03:09:44.185-04:002012-05-12T03:09:44.185-04:00This is on my to see list and has popped up a numb...This is on my to see list and has popped up a number of times in my recent browsing. Your review makes me want to see it all the more - although as I find it hard to find two uninterrupted hours I don't know how possible it will be to watch this in the near future.Séamus Dugganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00574186409184247059noreply@blogger.com