tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post635330198297002031..comments2024-01-02T15:37:04.858-05:00Comments on Caravana de recuerdos: The Divine Comedy II: Purgatorio #1Richardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-51847731195649230512010-08-12T00:24:31.541-04:002010-08-12T00:24:31.541-04:00*Amateur Reader: I hear what you're saying, bu...*Amateur Reader: I hear what you're saying, but Dante makes enough references to the more philosophy-loving Greeks that I can also understand people talking about his talking points as philosophy or theology. Love your Cult of Beatrice line, though, and intend to explore one tiny aspect of that perhaps as early as this weekend. It is "completely outrageous," as you so rightly say, ha ha!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-91753913556036322612010-08-10T19:26:11.087-04:002010-08-10T19:26:11.087-04:00I wouldn't call much that Dante does "phi...I wouldn't call much that Dante does "philosophy". Theology, maybe, in the sense that in <i>Purgatorio</i> and especially <i>Paradiso</i> Dante is completing his system. It is decidedly not a lecture, except perhaps in the new, heretical Cult of Beatrice.<br /><br />I mean, as Emily suspects, Beatrice-the-character is not so interesting. But Beatrice-the-object-of-worship is completely outrageous.Amateur Reader (Tom)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13675275555757408496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-2020807423223899902010-08-09T22:40:38.592-04:002010-08-09T22:40:38.592-04:00*Amanda: It's interesting to see how similarly...*Amanda: It's interesting to see how similarly we reacted to various aspects of <em>Purgatorio</em>--will be excited to learn whether you enjoyed it, as I did, or felt let down by the differences between it and <em>Inferno</em>! In the meantime, thanks for the info/prediction on what lies ahead in <em>Paradiso</em>: I want to go back and take a second look at some things in the second canticle first, but what you say sounds intriguing. Cheers!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-9908671234645606792010-08-08T19:59:42.145-04:002010-08-08T19:59:42.145-04:00I managed to finish up Purgatorio just this aftern...I managed to finish up <i>Purgatorio</i> just this afternoon, but I think I want to contemplate it a little before I really write my thoughts down. Hopefully I'll have a post up in a day or two.<br /><br />Now that you point it out, it's easier to <br />see that the change in tone from <i>Inferno</i> into and throughout <i>Purgatorio</i> really is subtle rather than dramatic. Having just finished, it feels like the entire canticle was mostly philosophy/theology, but actually, the early cantos (canti?) were still about a journey. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in <i>Paradisio</i>--I would expect much more theology/philosophy in Heaven, but the little sketch in the back of my book showing "the Universe of Dante" seems to indicate that there are multiple layers of the heavens to travel before the final arrival.<br /><br />There also seemed to be a change in tone with the arrival of Beatrice--upping the allegory/symbolism/imagery. Guessing that this is what <i>Paradisio</i> will be like, that would make <i>Purgatorio</i> a nice little bridge section.amandahttp://simplerpastimes.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-50775408485528291232010-08-08T18:58:52.061-04:002010-08-08T18:58:52.061-04:00*E.L. Fay: No rush--I think this is the month ever...*E.L. Fay: No rush--I think this is the month everybody else will be dropping out of the readalong anyway! I thought the change in tone might have been due to my change in translators at first, but then I caught on to what Dante was doing. Hope you enjoy the rest of your vacation!<br /><br />*Emily: Dante lectures here less than I might have led you to believe, but I hear you about not wanting any part of that type of "instruction" regardless! As far as Beatrice goes, the jury's still out on her for me. However, I will be writing about one instance where Dante's use/opinion of her as a model seems to be "problematic" in a way. Which may or may not be interesting to anybody other than me--but thanks for saying you'll follow along, my friend!Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01746599416342846897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-86087638415922887222010-08-08T15:12:39.809-04:002010-08-08T15:12:39.809-04:00I have to admit that the shift to "instructio...I have to admit that the shift to "instruction" you mention is one reason I've avoided the final 2/3 of Dante's epic - I'm OK with creative punishments for wrong-doers, but getting lectured on theology has never been my cup of tea. Plus, saintly Beatrice, like Petrarch's Laura, seems boring boring BORING in my preconceptions. :-P That said, I'll be greatly looking forward to your follow-up posts to get a more accurate idea of what the second installment is all about!Emilyhttp://www.eveningallafternoon.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1911087927983597831.post-26354428256811255622010-08-07T12:36:27.125-04:002010-08-07T12:36:27.125-04:00I'm still reading Purgatorio and I left my not...I'm still reading <i>Purgatorio</i> and I left my notes at home. (I'm on vacation and won't be back until Monday.) But I will have my post up sometime early next week.<br /><br />I'm only on Canto 7 but I've already noticed the same thing you did - that it's very subdued in tone compared to <i>Inferno</i> with a lot of emphasis on sighing and singing. But I'm sorry to hear that Virgil leaves!Eileenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058705381647529328noreply@blogger.com